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Business houses funding Cong. expected to mend their ways

Business houses still funding the Congress party are expected by those in power to mend their ways. They are said to have been indirectly passed on a word of 'caution' - change or be prepared to face the music.


BUREAUCRACY

Empanelment process of 1982 batch IAS gets momentum
Empanelment process of 1982 batch IAS officers to the rank of Secretary in the Government of India has now become faster. It may take place in March.

Names of 6 Ambassadors finalized?
Grapevine says that External Affairs Minister, Mrs Sushma Swaraj and Foreign Secretary, Ms Sujata Singh both have agreed on a list of about 6-7 names of Ambassadors.

28 IAS officers retiring in January
As many as 28 officers belonging to Indian Administrative Service (IAS) of various batches and cadres are retiring in January, 2015. The officers are: Deepak Mohan Spolia and S P Dixit of AGMUT cadre; K Devanand of Andhra Pradesh cadre; Shiv Shankar Gupta and Sabbir Hussain of Assam Meghalaya; Upendra Kumar, Ramanda Jha, Chittaranjan Singh of Bihar; E K Bharat Bhushan of Kerala; Dr Dev Raj Birdi, Vishwa Mohan Upadhaya of MP cadre; Dr Amitabh Rajan and GB Maware of Maharashtra; Abhinoy Halam of Manipur-Tripura; Alemtemshi Jamir of Nagaland cadre; Dr Satish Balram Agnihotri of Orissa; Dharamjit Singh Grewal of Punjab cadre; Sudhir Bhargava, Pradeep Sen and Malovika Pawar of Rajasthan cadre; Rinchen Ongmu of Sikkim; M P Nirmala of Tamil Nadu cadre; Kishore Kumar Sinha, Sudhir Kumar Srivastava of Uttar Pradesh cadre; Somesh K Bhattacharya, Subhash Ranjan Biswas, Utpal Kumar Bhattacharya and Ashok Bhattacharya of West Bengal cadre.

Search Committee sends names to PMO?
The Search Committee is believed to have send panel consisting of three Members of Information Commission and one Chief Information Commissioner.

Cadre of Srivastava transferred to UP
The cadre of Vaibhav Srivastava has been transferred from West Bengal to Uttar Pradesh on the grounds of marriage to Ms Neha Prakash, a 2012 batch IAS officer of UP cadre. Srivastava is a 2009 batch IAS officer of West Bengal cadre.

Cadre of Bhargava transferred to MP
The cadre of Ashish Bhargava transferred from Manipur Tripura to Madhya Pradesh against the vacancy for PH category. He is a 2012 batch IAS officer of MT cadre.

Only 22 Dalit IAS officers serving as JS in GoI
Only 22 officers belonging to Indian Administrative Service (IAS) of Scheduled Caste category are serving as Joint Secretary out of total strength of 280 in Government of India.

Tenure of JD CBI Tiwari extended
Tenure of Ashok Tiwari as Joint Director, CBI has been extended for a period upto January 31, 2015. He is a 1993 batch IPS officer of Himachal Pradesh cadre.

Tiwari appointed Joint Secy, UPSC
Rajesh Kumar Tiwari has been appointed as Joint Secretary, (Director Level), UPSC. He is a 1991 batch IoFS officer.

Gaur appointed Deputy Secy, UPSC
Vaibhav Gaur has been appointed as Deputy Secretary, UPSC on central deputation. He is a 2002 batch IoFS officer.

Interviews for CMD, NHPC Ltd on Feb 13
The Public Enterprises Selection Board (PESB) is reported to have scheduled interviews for the post of Chairman-cum-Managing Director (CMD), NHPC Limited on February 13, 2015. R S T Sai is holding additional charge of the position of Chairman and Managing Director of NHPC with effect from June 8, 2014.

Ms Lata repatriated to her parent cadre
Ms Renu Lata, who was on deputation to Government of Bihar, has been repatriated to her parent cadre. She is a 2004 batch IES officer.

Rath will have longest innings in banking sector

It is widely believed that General Manager of the Union Bank Ajit Kumar Rath, who is going to be Executive Director soon, will have the longest innings in the banking sector. Rath will retire only in 2028.

Lahiri posted FA&CAO, Metro Rail
Dipankar Lahiri has been posted as FA&CAO, Metro Railway. He is an Indian Railway Accounts Service (IRAS) officer.

Lahiri posted as FA&CAO, Eastern Rail
Papuya Lahiri has been posted as FA&CAO, Eastern Railway. He is an Indian Railway Accounts Service (IRAS) officer.

Rajender likely to join central deputation
B Rajender is expected to join central deputation in Government of India at Joint Secretary level. He is a 1995 batch IAS officer of Bihar cadre.

BHEL GM J Sankaran promoted as ED (IO)

BHEL GM, J Sankaran has been appointed as Executive Director (IO) after promotion to this level.

Chaudhary likely to join central deputation
Rajesh Kumar Chaudhary is expected to join central deputation at Joint Secretary level. He is a 1987 batch IFS officer of Punjab cadre.

10 posts of Superintendent of Police in NPA vacant
Ten posts of Superintendent of Police, National Police Academy (NPA), have been lying vacant.

Pillai likely to join for CVO, CPSE
KR Subramonia Pillai is expected to join central deputation at Director level as a Chief Vigilance Officer (CVO), Central Public Sector Enterprises (CPSE). He is a 1997 batch IRAS Officer.

Major reshuffle of IAS officers in AP
As many as 26 officers belonging to Indian Administrative Service (IAS) have been transferred and posted at different places in Andhra Pradesh. Accordingly, Anil Chandra Punetha has been posted as Chief Commissioner of Land Administration while Jagdish Chander Sharma will be Principal Secretary, Land Revenue and Mrs Shalini Mishra is PS, Public Enterprises. Similarly, Dr Vijay Kumar has been appointed as Principal Secretary, Social Welfare; G Anantha Ramu as Secretary, Labour, Employment Training & Factories; Praveen Kuamr as Secretary, Backward Classes Welfare; Mrs B Udayalaxmi as Commisisoner, Technical Education and Collegiate Education; D Kadmiel as Secretary, GAD, K Ramgopal as MD, Foold & Civil Supplies Department; B Ramanjaneyulu as Commissioner, Panchayat Raj & Rural Development; Lav Agarwal as Commissioner, Health & Family Welfar and CEO, Arogya Sri Trust; Shashibhushan Kumar as Secretry, Irrigation & CAD; Mrs K Sunitha as Secretary, Finance; D Vara Prasad as Commissioner, Labour, Employment & Training;Ram Shankar Naik as Commissioner, Fisheries; Mukesh Kumar Meena as Secretary, GAD (Political); B Sreedhar as Secretary, IT, Electronics and Communications;; Solomon Arokiya Raj as Special Secretary, SERP, Rural Development & CEO, Society for Elimination; Kona Sasidhar as collector & District Magistrate, Ananthapuramu; H Arun Kumar as Collector, East Godavari; Mrs P A Shobha as Secretary, AP Social Welfare Residentail Education Institutations Society; K Dhananjaya Reddy as Director, Disaster Management and ex-officio Deputy Secrtary, Revenue DM; K Kanna Babu as Commissioner, Guntur Municipal Corporation; Lathakr Shrikesh Balaji Rao as Project Officer, ITDA, Parvathipuram; P Koteswara rao as Joint Collector & Additioinal District Magistrate and Vadarevu Vinay Chand is also VC, TUDA.

Reshuffle of IPS officers in AP
As many as 16 officers belonging to Indian Police Service (IPS) have been transferred and posted at different places in Andhra Pradesh. Accordingly, Amit Garg has been posted as Commissioner, Visakhapatnam City while P V Sunil Kumar will be IGP, CID and V Venugpala Krishna is IGP, South zone. Similarly, N Sanjay has been appointed as IGP, South Coastal Zone; A Abraham Lincoln as Additional Director, ACB; CSRKLN Raju asked to report PHQ, Hyderabad; A Ravichandra as DIG, Visakhapatnam range; P Umapathi as DIG & JMD (V&S), APTRANSCO; Dr M Kantha rao as DIG, Red Sanders Anti Smuggling Tas Force; B V Ramana Kumar as DIG, Kurnool range; Ms R Jayalakshmi as SP, CID; K K N Anburajan as ASP, Pulivendla; K Fakkeerappa as ASP, Rampachodavaram; Vijaya Rao and Venkata Appala Naidu were told to report PHQ, Hyderabad.

Kulkarni is new Secretary to Jharkhand Governor
Nitin Madan Kulkarni has been appointed principal secretary to the Jharkhand Governor. He is 1995 batch IAS officer.

New Members of Censors Board
Nine new Members have been appointed in the Censors Board. They are Ms Mihir Bhuta, Syed Abdul Bari, Ramesh Patange, George Baker, Chandra Prakashh Diwedi, Jeevitha, Vani Tripathi Tikoo, SV Shekhar and Ashok Pandit.

HAL chairman urges steps to bridge skill gap
"The issues related to human resources must be handled with utmost care, sensitivity and if required with firmness", said Ashwani Dutt, Member, Public Enterprises Selection Board (PESB) in his keynote address at the 2nd Aerospace HR Round Table held here today under the auspices of HAL and University of Petroleum and Energy Studies (UPES). The theme of the conference attended by aerospace HR professionals was "Human Capital - A Source of Business and Competitive Advantage". Speaking on the occasion, Dr R K Tyagi, Chairman HAL, pointed out that the aerospace sector lacked the much needed skills to meet its current and future demands. "What we need is around 10 lakh skilled people, and we must get them as crores of investment would be made in India in next few years", he said. "HAL on its part is planning to create an aerospace university with initial investment of Rs. 100 crore. This will ensure academia and industry linkage. Having a degree is not enough as we need people who are in tune with the industry", he added. V M Chamola, Director, HR (HAL) in his address stressed on the need to bring down man-hour rates in PSUs and concentrate on efficiency of the workforce. "Labour productivity must enhanced with right planning", he felt. Prof Utpal Ghosh, Pro-Vice Chancellor of UPES, focused on various issued related to airline industry and HR challenges of the industry.

ONGC, IITs to collaborate for bolstering 'Make in India' campaign in energy sector (
Responding emphatically to the Prime Minister Narendra Modi's 'Make in India' initiative, India's foremost energy major Oil and Natural Gas Corporation Limited (ONGC) and Pan-IIT entered into a Memorandum of Collaboration (MoC) on January 19, 2015 at New Delhi to work towards a collective R&D Programme for developing indigenous technologies to enhance exploration and exploitation of hydrocarbons and alternate sources of energy. Pan IIT is a consortium of seven premier Indian Institutes of Technology namely, IIT-Kharagpur, IIT-Kanpur, IIT-Madras, IIT-Mumbai, IIT-Delhi, IIT-Guwahati and IIT-Roorkee. The MoC was signed today in the presence of Union Minister of HRD Mrs Smriti Zubin Irani and Minister of State (I/C) Petroleum & Natural Gas, Dharmendra Pradhan by CMD, ONGC Dinesh K Sarraf, and Director, IIT-Kharagpur, Coordinating Director for the Pan-IIT Forum, Prof Partha P Chakrabarti. Secretary, Petroleum & Natural Gas Saurabh Chandra, Addl Secretary, MHRD Amarjeet Sinha, Chairmen, Directors from participating IITs, Senior officials from MoP&NG, MHRD and ONGC were also present to witness this occasion. Under the MoC, ONGC's R&D Institutes and the IITs shall jointly undertake advanced research and development projects for the E&P sector of the country in general and oilfield specific activities of ONGC in particular. The MoC also ideates promoting internships, visiting and adjunct faculty programs, research oriented career programs through an ONGC Scholar Programme. Within the ambit of this collaboration, while ONGC will make its high-tech laboratories available to the students and research scholars of IITs, ONGC geoscientists and engineers will also have the opportunity of working with IITs. To begin with, seven thematic research areas in the domain of geoscience, reservoir characterization, enhanced production of oil and gas, exploiting unconventional sources of hydrocarbons, software development, engineering solutions and alternate energy resources have been identified. With this collaboration, while ONGC will use the intellectual expertise of the IITs, the actual work will be done at the ONGC's in-house R&D Institutes and oilfields to enable the best talents of the country to supplement each other by applying their mind on cutting-edge technologies to boost oil & gas production in the country.

Sunil Barnwal is new Secretary to Jharkhand CM (UPDATED)
Sunil Barnwal has been appointed new Secretary to Jharkhand Chief Minister Raghubar Das. He is 1997 batch IAS officer of Jharkhand cadre.

Atoria is new Excise Commissioner in UP (UPDATED)
K S Atoria has been appointed new Excise Commissioner in Uttar Pradesh. He is 1984 batch IAS officer of UP cadre.

Dr Mahesh Sharma reviews performance of Pawan Hans (UPDATED)
Minister of State of Culture and Tourism (Independent Charge) & Civil Aviation, Dr. Mahesh Sharma visited Pawan Hans Office at Safdarjung Airport and reviewed the performance & functioning of Pawan Hans Limited. During the review meeting CMD, PHL B S Bhullar, IAS briefed about the performance of PHL. Senior officials from MOCA and Pawan Hans were also present. Minister of State was apprised about various activities, achievements and initiatives taken by the company in the Financial Year 2013-14 and also discussed the future business strategies of the company to promote regional connectivity specifically in north east region and inter island. In 2013-14, Pawan Hans posted the highest ever turnover of Rs 530 Crs., considered a major success in the backdrop of the reality that most airlines including private ones were bleeding during the year. The growth came to about 15 percent if compared with the turnover of Rs 465 Crs. a year ago. Minister of State appreciated the performance of Pawan Hans in recent years and recognised the great success of Pawan Hans in terms of its improved Credit Rating, Leveraging Information Technology for Boosting internal Efficiency, Maintaining Highest Safety Standards, huge reduction in fleet Insurance Premium, Optimal Utilisation of its human resources, Adopting best Inventory Management Practices to ensure Quality Control, Promoting Heli-Pilgrimage Tourism and Enabling Oil Company's like ONGC and GSPC to go deep sea for Oil Exploration and aerial pipeline surveillance for GAIL, also Connect far flung and remote locations through Helicopter in North Eastern Region. Minister also conveyed that there is need to develop a road map and emphasize to connect Rural India with strategic towns to explore heritage site to boost tourism sector and create more livelihood to the local people. During the presentation Minister was told about the usage of Helicopters in Law and Order and Helicopter Emergency Medical Services in worldwide and India. Worldwide 30% Helicopter are used for law & Order & Helicopter Emergency Medical Services whereas in India only 1% Helicopters are being used for such important activities for a large populated country. The company is now banking on the worldwide trend of growing demand for helicopters for law and order and medical services so that the company maintains its growth story intact.

Ram Sajiwan Singh appointed as Director, HUPA (UPDATED)
Ram Sajiwan Singh has been appointed as Director, Ministry of Housing & Urban Poverty Alleviation. He is a 1997 batch Indian Telecom Service Officer.

Rajesh Tripathi relieved to join as CMD, DCI Ltd (UPDATED)
The Railway Board has relieved Rajesh Tripathi for joining as Chairman & Managing Director, Dredging Corporation of India (DCI) Limited, Visakhapatnam. He is an IRSE officer.

Salil Jha appointed as ED, NTPC (UPDATED)
Salil Kumar Jha has been appointed as Executive Director (ED), National Thermal Power Corporation Limited (NTPC) on deputation for a period of three years. He is an IRTS officer.

Four CBI officers get extension till March end (UPDATED)
Three DIGs in CBI S Sengathir (Rajasthan 1997) A S Dhillon (Haryana 1997) Ghanshyam Upadhyay (Odisha 1999) and SP Atul Fulzele (Himachal Pradesh 2001) have been given extension in deputation tenure till March end.

Rajiv Gauba to return Jharkhand as Chief Secretary (UPDATED)
Rajiv Gauba, Additional Secretary, Ministry of Home Affairs, has been recalled by the Jharkhand Government . 1982 batch IAS officer of Jharkhand cadre Gauba is all set to take over as Chief Secretary of the state.

Reshuffle of 21 IFS officers in Telangana (UPDATED)
As many as 21 officers of Indian Forests Services have been transferred and posted at differnt places in Telangana. Accordingly, A K Srivastava has been posted as Additional Principal Chief Conservator of Forests (Administration) while R Sundaravadan is made Conservator of Forests (Environment) and D K Pandey is posted as Additional Principal Chief Conservator of Forests (Development). Similarly, K P Srivasuki has been posted as Centre for Forest and Natural Resource Management, Dulapally, Hyderabad; Chandan Mitra as Additional Principal Chief Conservator of Forests (Extension); p Madhusudhana Rao as Additional Principal Chief Conservator of Forests (Research); Prashant Kumar Jha as Additional Principal Chief Conservator of Forests (Production); Manoranjan Bhanja as Additional Principal Chief Conservator of Forests (Social Forestry); M Prudhvi Raju as Additional Principal Chief Conservator of Forests (IT & Working Plans); Chandra B Malasi as Additional Principal Chief Conservator of Forests (JFM&CSS); R U Kashappa as Chief Conservator of Forests (STC); R Sobha as Additional Principal Chief Conservator of Forests (CAMPA & FCA); Y Babu Rao as Additional Principal Chief Conservator of Forests (LR); G Chandra shekar Reddy as Member (Environment), HDMA, Hyderabad; Ashok Kumar Sinha as Chief Conservator of Forests, Nizamabad; Sanjeev Kumar Gupta as Director, Project Tiger Circle, Amarabad Tiger Reserve; C Saravanan as Divisional Forest Officer, Paloncha, Khammam; B Shafiullah as Additional Commissioner (Urban Biodiversity), Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation, Hyderabad; S Shantharam as Divisional Forest Officer, Kothgudem, Khammam and Sivala Ram Babu is posted as Divisional Forest Officer, Bhadrachalam (North).

Gandam Chandrudu posted as Additional Commissioner, CRDA (UPDATED)
Gandam Chandrudu has been posted as Additional Commissioner, Capital Region Development Authority (CRDA) and Capital Area. He is a 2010 batch IAS officer of Andhra Pradesh cadre.

DEBATE

DEBATE- Appointment of Judges should be continued through the Collegium system or through the Judicial Appointments Commission set up by the new Government ? Mail your views to-

mehrotra.suresh@gmail.com or suresh.mehrotra@yahoo.com


CORPORATE

Subramanian appointed MD, Anjani Portland Cement Ltd
A Subramanian has been appointed as Managing Director of Anjani Portland Cement Ltd.

Muthiah resigns MD, Anjani Portland Cement Ltd
Ms Geetha Muthiah has resigned as Managing Director of Anjani Portland Cement Ltd.

Gupta appointed Independent Director, Petronet LNG Ltd
Sushil Kumar Gupta has been appointed as an Independent Director of Petronet LNG Limited.

Gandhi resigns CS, Birla Capital & Financial Services Ltd
Ms Sneha Gandhi has resigned as a Company Secretary of Birla Capital & Financial Services Ltd.

Deshpande appointed CS, Birla Capital & Financial Services Ltd
Ms Ketki Deshpande has been appointed as the Company Secretary of Birla Capital & Financial Services Ltd.

Ranjan appointed CS, PSL Ltd
PSL Limited has appointed Shashi Ranjan as Company Secretary of the company.

Bajaj resigns as Non-Exec. Independent Director, Zensar Technologies Limited
Niraj Bajaj has resigned as Non-Executive Independent Director of Zensar Technologies Limited.

Dr Parikh appointed Independent Director, Atul Auto Ltd
Atul Auto Limited has appointed Dr (Ms) Margie S Parikh as Independent Director of the company.

Jatia appointed Addl. Director, Pudumjee Industries Ltd
Pudumjee Industries Limited has appointed Ms Vasudha Jatia as Additional Director of the company.

Kalra appointed CS, Infinite Computer Solutions (India) Ltd
Infinite Computer Solutions (India) Ltd has appointed Rajat Kalra as Company Secretary of the company

Gupta appointed CS, JSW Techno Projects Management Ltd.
JSW Techno Projects Management Ltd has appointed Sanjay Gupta as Company Secretary of the company

Ms Gani appointed Addl. Director, ECE Industries Ltd.
ECE Industries Ltd has appointed Ms Moulishree Gani as the Non Executive Additional Director of the company.

Srinivasan appointed Addl. Director, RKN Retail Pvt Ltd
RKN Retail Pvt Ltd has appointed Visvanathan Srinivasan as Additional Director of the company .

Kumar appointed Independent Director, JTL Infra Ltd
JTL Infra Ltd has appointed Dheerej Kumar as a Independent Director of the company.


FORUM

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Kiran Bedi and Kejriwal have common characteristic
Kiran Bedi would be a logical successor to Arvind Kejriwal because they both share the common characteristic of being 'bhagodiyas', or runners away who abandon office for selfish reasons. Kejriwal ran away from the onerous task of governing. Earlier he had run away from the task of performing his duties as an officer of the Indian Revenue Service. Kiran Bedi ran away from Goa where she was posted because she wanted to remain only in Delhi. She is an IPS officer of the Arunachal, Goa, and Mizoram and Union Territories Cadre (AGMUT) not the (non existent) NCT of Delhi cadre. Posted to Mizoram she did not serve there at all, but used the opportunity of having her daughter admitted to the Lady Hardinge Medical College. After the Mizoram episode and a short interregnum Kiran was posted as I.G.P. Chandigarh. There she deliberately created conditions whereby the Governor was furious and threw her out. She returned to Delhi and lobbied to become the Police Commissioner. Luckily P.M. Manmohan Singh torpedoed these attempts. Now the lady railed at posting to the Bureau of Police Research and Development and more or less publicly made her dissatisfaction known. She drifted towards Anna Hazare, whom she also abandoned. Now it is the BJP she has joined. God help that party.
M N Buch

Fielding ex-IPS officer in Delhi will prove suicidal
Delhi Election Update: at a discussion wherein two former Chief Secretaries of Delhi were there in presence of a senior politician: Fielding former IPS officer in Delhi will prove to be suicidal not only for elections but for the cadre of the party as well. RSS Shakhas have already shown little interest in door to door campaign. It's also heard that a minister from Delhi was given brushing from party president for seeking ticket for his son.
Subir Kumar

Regarding retirement age
Serving and retired employees are giving their valuable views regularly on this issue. However, I am of the view that it is for the 7th CPC to take cognizance on this since earlier also Cabinet gave its approval on the recommendation of the 5th CPC. Therefore, we should wait on this. However, we may raise other issues such as pay parity of the common categories of the employees working in Secretariat and non-secretariat within the central government.
V S Rana

Will he come back ?
Finally the Government of India acted and repatriated Vineet Joshi to his cadre. Now that the post of Chairman CBSE has been advertised, he may try to come back as Chairman CBSE by using his contacts by manipulating the rules. Ministry of HRD should be firm and ensure that he does not come back.
S Gopal

DATE WITH RTI

Property details in relation to a court case

The Applicant sought information regarding the details of the properties of her estranged husband as per records of the bank. The PIO denied the information under Section 8 (1) (d) of the RTI Act on the ground that it pertained to a third party. The applicant submitted that she needs the details of the properties of her estranged husband to get a share in the same for herself and her child. The CIC referred to the Supreme Court judgment in Girish Ramchandra Deshpande vs. Central Information Commissioner and Ors. [Special Leave Petition (Civil) No. 27734 of 2012] and held that the information sought by the Applicant is exempted from disclosure under Section 8 (1) (j) of the RTI Act.

Comments

Just because a public servant is in litigation with someone in the course of a private dispute, the personal information cannot be provided to establish the truth of allegations. Such disclosure cannot be said to be in "public interest" as the litigation is a private one.


Citation: Ms. Asha Bairwa v. Bank of Baroda in File No. CIC/MP/A/2014/000022/SH

Weekly article by Dr. (Mrs.) Anuradha Verma (dranuradhaverma@yahoo.co.in), RTI Consultant to IIM, Indore. Her other articles can be read at http://www.rtifoundationofindia.com/Again, best wishes for a happy new year to you and the whole whispers team.

(dranuradhaverma@yahoo.co.in), RTI Consultant to IIM, Indore and Co-author of the books: RIGHT TO INFORMATION - LAW AND PRACTICE and PIO's Guide to RTI by Taxmann. (The views are Personal)

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